(RFC) Fork the treasury proportional to votes For vs Against

[Tjark]

I’m speaking for me, as I can’t speak for anyone else: I’m truly sorry you seem to feel offended by members of this community.

I actually have no idea where this got off-rails. I felt that people were mostly supportive of what you shared publicly. I reviewed the Discord conversation in question a couple of times and it still feels like a massive misunderstanding to me. No one is interested in putting you down personally. The thing that unites us is the excitement for PoolTogether and its vision.
No one has a benefit from stopping builders building on the protocol. Even more, I’d argue everyone agrees that this is exactly what the protocol needs.

@MTheory

I understand that “being here” to you means the people in the discord group that you moderate as that is your bubble. I will share personally, but this statement makes me feel that in your view the 6100 addresses who minted a pooly nft are not “here”.

Hey - I would never fade Pooly holders!
I wasn’t trying to attack you with my question. No hidden agenda - the intention is only to understand where you are coming from and what could’ve been done to help you feel better.

@MTheory

I see “being here” as people who follows updates/make decisions based on them, follows github issues, reads medium articles […]

Me too! I know and value the importance of lurkers in communities. Attention spans have drastically reduced and society moved from 12 - 24 day news cycles to 12 - 24 hour cycles. Lurkers might be silently consuming content, but beat marketing as they could be your number one IRL advocates, onboarding friends and family.

@MTheory

I hate discord and the control/ privileges that come from certain people having permissions. Everyone is welcome to use it, but the number of times that I have been alienated and chose to leave the space you control only enhances the degree of “emotional investment” that has been made by myself. Everyone should have equal opportunity not people who politic on you controlled platform.

I’ve entered this community in a similar way as you did. I didn’t know anyone but I had one thing in common with the people that were around: I was massively excited about PoolTogether. Today I still am and I’m perceived as a core-contributor. However, I wasn’t even here when the token dropped.

There is no way around action when wanting to shape a community. The truth is that no one likely knows the true path forward. We can only get there through conversation and actual execution.

@MTheory

Hell, pool together makes an effort to find who delegates using platforms like sybil. This acts as a tool to find people who disagree and conduct witch hunts.

I can’t follow you on this one. Sybil is an open source governance and delegate platform. PoolTogether is not affiliated and their service was provided for free. It was never used to orchestrate any witch hunts but to delegate voting power between users in a fully decentralized matter.

@MTheory

I have been in and out of the discord and tried to get anything beyond talked down to on the first mention of building with pool together 5 times in 4 years. I’ve been here and alienated for 80% of the time.

We’ve been reviewing all the negative examples, but you seem to forget the positive moments:

• $15,000 delegation on Optimism
• splash.wtf on the agenda for Swim Meet #157
• ptbook.xyz on the agenda for Swim Meet #159
• not digging out the several messages from Poolers saying they like what you’re building

From what I perceived is that each time you made the effort to engage with what you’ve built, you also got some feedback and encouragement.
People can’t read your mind - you have to open up to give people a chance to see (and understand) what you’re working on.

If you don’t like the Discord server you can engage with people on Farcaster, Twitter, or whatever platform you choose. The Discord server might not be perfect, but it gives anyone who is interested a chance to tap into concentrated PoolTogether knowledge.

Adding to this, I don’t think it’s fair of you to bad-mouth contributors in public. I will not link to the tweets in question, but I’m sure you’re aware of what I’m talking about.

@MTheory

So to say that the convo regarding your power over this medium is not helpful is a flex and abuse of it.

Do you think we would have this conversation if powers were abused? If this really was the case this thread would probably not exist. The forum is an open platform, just as Discord. Nothing gets deleted and no one gets banned, as long as it sticks to the Code of Conduct.

@MTheory

Yes, on the surface gov works this way.

So does it under the hood! Anything treasury-related has to pass POOL governance. No single person or entity has access. Anything controlled by the governor beta contracts can only be executed through onchain proposals that pass majority and quorum.

Let’s conclude this with a far-fetched and weird example:
Imagine you’re hanging out in the clubhouse of your footie club. There’s no boss, the club just does regular elections to fill some key roles that are necessary to keep the ball running (pun intended).
You’ve been a member of the club for some years now. You and your club mates have been getting together for regular club meetings so often you can’t even tell the number anymore. You showed up for everything: monthly clean ups, tendering the grass of the club’s playing field, renovating the ranks, recruiting sponsors - the list goes on.
Now someone enters the clubhouse: “What’s up - I’ve been watching you all for the past 4 years. I don’t like how things are done and need some money from your club treasury to fix you all up.”

I think we’re in a similar situation here. What can we do? I don’t know - but I figure we all should regularly remind ourselves that it’s always better to act from a place of kindness and constructivism.